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(13471) Trackman
Reply 2008-12-03 20:30:25
Sorry for late answer, in practice I have no time for any map-things nowadays ... :(

Look at other land cover polygons outside of Austria: they are good as well but they were free.
We made a selection from original CLC types: we dropped meadow-like and grassy types, they are now the white sprites on our map. And then we made a simpification process on the rest to shrink the data.

We're a much tighter filter to let people draw maps compared to OSM, we know. This way it is much easier to join to OSM, as you said.
We focus on quality and uniformity. It is accessible only with some training of map editors, by creating unambigous, strict rules, etc. The camp of map editors and the map data is growing less faster. But this method - as we think - produces better, more usable maps.

If tracks - or the processed data - are not changeable then it is a difficult task to merge the advantages of two project. We focus on downloadable things for portable equipments. They are - we hope - complete, whole products. We found that visitors needs this, and they do not want to do things that requires more knowledge than downloading a file.

The SRTM data we use is originated from: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM3/Eurasia/
In reply to (12396) extremecarver 2008-10-29 13:05:38
(13466) alex-map
Reply 2008-12-03 18:56:00
Hi Trackman,


Our bas infromation are tracks on GPX format. the quality of this tracks is not the same for all users. In Romania we have thacks made with a step of one sec. to tracks made with a step made up tu 10 sec, which is not quite ok also for me, I-m using an step of 1 sec. A big slot of tracks (70-80%) are made at a step of 3 to 5 secconds, this slot cover moustly the Timisoare area and lot of primary and secondary roads around Transilvany. This tracks ar obtained form an fleet management company.

Even the tracks are made with an step of 3 to 5 secconds if we use more tracks over the same street we can get an acceptable quality. (Not all our roads are so acurate like your ones)

In order to avoid any License Isues I see the posibility to exchange the basic GPX tracks and everybody will create his own map based on this basic tracks.

If we have to provide you also details like street names, street type, and other details we will have to import thsi from OSM which will involve the CC license. and have to be clarified with OSM foundation.

My option is to use the base gpx tracks.


regards
Alexandru.
In reply to (12335) Trackman 2008-10-25 12:14:56
(12397) extremecarver
Reply 2008-10-29 12:45:32
Ups forgot to ask, what SRTM data source are you using? Original or CGIAR?
(12396) extremecarver
Reply 2008-10-29 13:05:38
Thanks for telling the source. Well I expected something like paid gis. The data was too good to be free....
Are you actually using all of this data or have you skipped on some types? The Garmin Recreational Map of Europe (available with purchase of Oregon 400) seems to be using exactly the same data, but is mostly more complete (sometimes also less complete - they miss broad-leaved-forest and write corniferous instead). e.g. they differentiate between continous and discontinous urban fabric (well to be frank this namegiving is bad, better would be to say they differnentiate between urban and semiurban areas). They also have land around motorways depicted differently. (on the other hand they miss some forest types, but also include pastures - which are "white" areas in OMP, or non irrigated agricultural land (the Recreational map has no "white" areas at all).

As for the exchange. There is a big difference, being that with OSM people upload their tracks, and then edit them/or use the track to lay polylines etc. over it using an online editor (Potlach) or offline editor (like JOSM). This makes it much easier for new users. Also just uploading a track is okay. If for example someone walks up a mountain path that is not yet in osm with difficult reception, he can afterwards see the other tracks and then estimate better where the way is in reality.

I don't know how anyone could "offer" OSM tracks, as this goes against the CC license due to my understanding. It would be better to explain a way to users of garmin GPS how they can profit from both projects. For Austria for example I install OMP, change the typfile to only show terrain polygon information. Then I make the OSM created map transparent (make any forest information transparent beforehad though in order not to see it) and use gmaptool to make osm map transparent. By using this process I can profit best from both maps.
(12336) Trackman
Reply 2008-10-25 12:24:00
Where have you got the terrain information for Austria from???

What terrain mean to you, land cover polygons, land contours or both of them?
Polygons came from CLC2000, and it's not free unfortunately. We had to pay for it.
See http://gis.umweltbundesamt.at/shop/product/ProductView.jsp?mid=Mx01x01&mId=product.clc.l3.bundle.at
Land contours are derived from the well known SRTM data.

there should be exchange of data between OSM and OMP
Look at my previous post, it is not impossible.

Is there a possibility to get the raw data for OMP
Our approach is to try create outputs for all the needs instead of spreading the source itself. What would you do with our source?
and the scripts used to compile with cgpsmapper?
We store our data in an OMP specific mysql database and the scripts are very specific as well. I think these scripts would be totally unusable for anyone outside of OMP.

In reply to (12228) extremecarver 2008-10-22 00:05:00
(12335) Trackman
Reply 2008-10-25 12:14:56
Dear alex-map,
sorry for the late answer, we haven't got any time nowadays...

We know OSM of course.
Earlier, a member of OSM from Slovakia contacted us for some kind of cooperation. You're talking about Romania now.
Please make it clear us wether your offering is for Romania only or all the OSM track database. And we don't know wether you are interested in romanian tracks only or not.

Basically, we think the cooperation is possible, you proposal seems to be considerably correct.
But we don't know anything about OSM tracks. We've got some requirements for tracks to make them usable for us. Mainly they are: 1) precise track logging - let the track points close enough to neighbour points (~5m or less, 1 sec on highways), and the track must be recorded under good satellite geometry; 2) we require some additional info beside the lines - road types, POIs, signs at road crossings, info about road stubs, etc.
So a pure, partly zig-zaged track without any additional info is rather useless for us. Please tell us about the quality of OSM tracks.

Best regards.

In reply to (11970) alex-map 2008-10-10 16:31:00
(12228) extremecarver
Reply 2008-10-22 00:05:00
Where have you got the terrain information for Austria from???
It's better than that in the Topo Austria by Garmin.

I too agree to the above poster that there should be exchange of data between OSM and OMP.
OMP could improve on that points where OSM due to the CC licence has disadvantages (use of cgsmapper for autorouting, use of CGIAR contours, ....).

Is there a possibility to get the raw data for OMP and the scripts used to compile with cgpsmapper?
(11970) alex-map
Reply 2008-10-10 16:31:00
Hi, openmaps.eu

I'm an active member of openstreetmap.org in Romania. I found out that you have interesting data from Romania and I was thinking making you the proposal to make an exchange of GPS tracks or data in order to be able to improve the data coverage of our maps (openmaps and openstreetmap).

Openstreetmap is also an open map, created on a voluntary base (see more under www.openstreetmap.org) placed under the CC License "creative commons" : On the end I put the License terms.

My proposal will be the following, We provide you our GPS tracks ( more then 4000 tracks) and we get the right to import your data into openstreetmap.org, We will provide you also for the future all our new GPX tracks. We will include you as data source for each data imported into OSM form openmaps. In this case you do not have to join the CC license.

I hope that proposal fair enough for you and I expect proposal for your side for a posible colaboration.

Thanks alex-map

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(10459) KiVi
Reply 2008-08-10 12:00:20
Yes, of course, you can use our map in 60cs. Select the map in Mapsource with the map select tool, connect your GPS and click send to device button!
In reply to (10458) iamherethere 2008-08-10 01:46:09
(10458) iamherethere
Reply 2008-08-10 01:46:09
I've just recently stumpled upon this project. After reading through the comments I'm a bit embarrassed to ask this question, however the moderator said all questions are welcome. I had no problems getting the files into Mapsource. In Mapsource I can do all the usual stuff like routing etc. Its a bit basic, but is there anyway I can get the maps into my garmin 60cs?

Patrick.
(10337) Trackman
Reply 2008-08-04 23:29:59
I do img maps since... mumblemumble... 2001
This way you definitely have a much more experience with img maps than us!

I'd like to develop a fast workflow, because things changes
Our frequent changes are related to roads mainly so clc or srtm change requires a half-manual intervention as well.

As i wrote in my first posting, i'd like to learn the whole workflow.
Okay, i'll write a workflow draft ( it doesn't exists yet nor in hungarian nor english... :( )

with the legend i sent to check (I hope is good!)
As you may noticed meanwhile i've sent you an italy-clc file we already have converted to our typeset. It misses seas but it can be a good guideline for you, i hope.

If i can, i'll post this night the tiled CLC shape
Ok, we're longing for it ;)


In reply to (10328) felixwolf 2008-08-03 21:33:53
(10328) felixwolf
Reply 2008-08-03 21:33:53
Or we provide you an sftp site where you can upload files. I'll send you access datas in minutes.

Thanks, i got it.


Yes. I have the "corrected" one, from cgiar.
Sounds good, please let us see the whole data set.
...
I'm quite sure that "principal" settlements are ready to be used. Secondary have to be processed a little bit.
Okay, if you feel you're ready please share them with us as well.
...
Please share the clc data with us as well using the sftp site.
...

If i can, i'll post this night the tiled CLC shape joined with the legend i sent to check (I hope is good!), still uncutted on the borders.

Ugh, your post has been a little long... :)

I knew, i knew... sorry

I think you don't need reverse engineering just ask us... :D
We have a "standard" typ for our maps but we'll review yours wether it contains improvements compared to ours.
We don't use mapsettolkit we just create pv-s and other scripts for cgpsmapper.

I just didn't want to ask anymore until i'll send something :D
I learnt something new. Never played too much with typ before.
As i wrote in my first posting, i'd like to learn the whole workflow.
I do img maps since... mumblemumble... 2001? I always feel as if is the first time when I have to start a new dataset. I'd like to develop a fast workflow, because things changes: srtm data "changed" 3 times (and, as you said, a lot of different countour extracting process came out), CORINE started in '90, became CLC2000 and will be CLC2006, new free data sources become avalaible... I'd like to have a night-building workflow :D
I don't think my typ could be better, it was here just to let you check an send you processed data :)

The italy-intergration operation will have manual works of course but it won't need to be repeated. Once the data sits in mysql, no other 'import-like' operation will be necessary. And everything else (output to any format) is totally automatic without any manual works.

... as before...

Again: we're busy as well so don't feel yourself unpleasantly if you don't answer in minutes... :))
Ok, thks
In reply to (10326) Trackman 2008-08-03 17:31:00
(10326) Trackman
Reply 2008-08-03 17:31:00
Hi, you aren't the only one who has little free time so don't worry about late answers.. :)

Yes. I have the "corrected" one, from cgiar.
Sounds good, please let us see the whole data set.

I'm quite sure that "principal" settlements are ready to be used. Secondary have to be processed a little bit.
Okay, if you feel you're ready please share them with us as well.

About lines dataset: I have the old 1:1.000.000 vmap0
We've reviewed vmap0 and found that it is far less accurate than our line set. But some lines could be usable: streams, streamlets, perhaps power lines).

I'll do ftp.
Hm, ftp is a stupid and not secure thing so we try to avoid it.
If you have any ftp servers just upload data sets and please give us an address/user/pass set.
Or we provide you an sftp site where you can upload files. I'll send you access datas in minutes.

Check some "reverse enginering" trials on small part I did.
My efforts are toward the less work is possible to repeat the same process N time.
I think you don't need reverse engineering just ask us... :D
The italy-intergration operation will have manual works of course but it won't need to be repeated. Once the data sits in mysql, no other 'import-like' operation will be necessary. And everything else (output to any format) is totally automatic without any manual works.

Ugh, your post has been a little long... :)
Please share the clc data with us as well using the sftp site.
We have a "standard" typ for our maps but we'll review yours wether it contains improvements compared to ours.
We don't use mapsettolkit we just create pv-s and other scripts for cgpsmapper.

Again: we're busy as well so don't feel yourself unpleasantly if you don't answer in minutes... :))
In reply to (10309) felixwolf 2008-08-01 20:31:59
(10309) felixwolf
Reply 2008-08-01 20:31:59
Sorry for the delay, little busy those days...

1) We have srtm for Italy, but it can be generated in many ways so you may have a better one.
Yes. I have the "corrected" one, from cgiar.
I'd like to process it the "GRASS way": resampling to a 25 meters resolution, then contours extraction with surf.rst module; i did it with a small set, and tested the result against contours extracted by gdal_contour, and "official" contours. It's quite good. But it's veeery time-consuming
I have low detail bathymetry, too. It could be nice to develop a mediterranean (or adriatic, at least) mapset with it.

"3) POIs if you have them (especially settlements, but we are interested in almost any pois, look at http://openmaps.eu/legend how we try to categorize them).... 5) what other map data have you got?"
I'll review all free data I have (and they're license).
I'm quite sure that "principal" settlements are ready to be used. Secondary have to be processed a little bit.
About lines dataset: I have the old 1:1.000.000 vmap0. Few good, official streams. Official National Parks and SIC/ZPS borders (they're free to download, but nothing is written about they're license).
Low level, but official, national, regional and municipal borders.
I have to check... I hope you have time :)

"4) roads, streets, pathways - based on tracklogs"
Few things at the moment.

"Place these files behind a link or choose any transfer method you prefer"
I'll do ftp.

"2) Kepenu has showed you the CLC conversion table. It would be pretty if you can produce a converted clc, but it is enough to send us an "originally" typed version... You can save our time if you can send these things in mp format, but shp is enough as well"

Check some "reverse enginering" trials on small part I did.
My efforts are toward the less work is possible to repeat the same process N time.
Sorry, very long text; if you prefer ftp, i'll do this way, next time.

This is a dbf Legend, to be joined (i did with gvsig) with unprocessed CLC2000 (CLC2000 "CODE" <-> "CLCT", or "CLCN", is the key).
CLCT is a string
CLCN is numeric (just in case there is some trouble to join different kind of field)
C1 is cgpsmapper object code for levels 0-2
N1 is polygon name for levels 0-2 (if multilingual *.typ is used, this is not imported)
C2 and N2 are the same as C1 and N1, but for levels 3-4.

"CLCT" "CLCN" "C1" "N1" "C2" "N2"
231 231 0x01 0x01
212 212 0x01 0x01
244 244 0x01 0x01
133 133 0x01 0x01
211 211 0x01 0x01
243 243 0x01 0x01
522 522 0x01 0x01
213 213 0x01 0x01
242 242 0x01 0x01
122 122 0x01 0x01
334 334 0x01 0x01
241 241 0x01 0x01
311 311 0x14 Broad-leaf forest 0x14 Green Areas
312 312 0x15 Coniferous forest 0x14 Green Areas
313 313 0x16 Mixed forest 0x14 Green Areas
141 141 0x17 City park 0x01
142 142 0x17 City park 0x01
332 332 0x21 Bare rocks 0x01
523 523 0x28 Sea 0x01
521 521 0x28 Sea 0x28 Sea
512 512 0x40 Lake 0x40 Lake
511 511 0x47 River 0x47 River
335 335 0x4d Glaciers-perpetual snow 0x01
221 221 0x4e Orchard/Plantation 0x01
222 222 0x4e Orchard/Plantation 0x01
223 223 0x4e Orchard/Plantation 0x01
324 324 0x4f Scrub 0x01
323 323 0x50 Mediterrean vegetation 0x14 Green Areas
412 412 0x51 Wetland/swamp 0x01
423 423 0x51 Wetland/swamp 0x01
422 422 0x51 Wetland/swamp 0x01
421 421 0x51 Wetland/swamp 0x01
411 411 0x51 Wetland/swamp 0x01
321 321 0x52 Sparsely vegetated areas 0x01
333 333 0x52 Sparsely vegetated areas 0x01
322 322 0x52 Sparsely vegetated areas 0x01
331 331 0x53 Sand/tidal/mud flat 0x01
124 124 0x7 Airport 0x01
123 123 0x9 Marina 0x01
131 131 0xc Industrial complex 0x01
121 121 0xc Industrial complex 0x01
132 132 0xc Industrial complex 0x01
112 112 0xd Settlement 0xd Settlement
111 111 0xd Settlement 0xd Settlement

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

This is a (part of) dbf Legend, to be joined with CONTOURS (Contour level <-> "LT", or "LN", is the key)
LT LN C
0 0 0x22
25 25 0x20
50 50 0x21
75 75 0x20
100 100 0x22
125 125 0x20
.......................
.......................
.......................
4975 4975 0x20
5000 5000 0x22

(is enough 5K for Europe? :) )

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

This is the *.mp template:

[IMG ID]
ID=20080801
Name=VDA_Topo
LblCoding=9
CodePage=1252
Transparent=Y
Copyright=Felixwolf
Elevation=M
TreSize=2000
RgnLimit=1024
Preprocess=F
;POIIndex=Y
;PolygonEvaluate=Y

Levels=8
Level0=24
Level1=22
Level2=21
Level3=19
Level4=18
Level5=17
Level6=16
Level7=15
Zoom0=0
Zoom1=1
Zoom2=2
Zoom3=3
Zoom4=4
Zoom5=5
Zoom6=6
Zoom7=7

;DrawPriority=5

[END-IMG ID]

[DICTIONARY]
; 0 1 2 3 4
; 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123
Level1RGN40=0000000000000000000000000000000011000000000
Level2RGN40=0000000000000000000000000000000001000000000

Level0RGN80=0
Level1RGN80=0
Level2RGN80=0
Level3RGN80=0
Level4RGN80=0
Level5RGN80=0
Level6RGN80=0
Level7RGN80=0
[END DICTIONARY]

[SHP]
name=CORINE
Type=128
;LabelField=N1# this is commented, to be used the multilingual name from *.typ
TypeField=C1
Level=0
EndLevel=2
[END]

[SHP]
name=CORINE
Type=128
LabelField=N2 #this is uncommented, I don't know how to give a unique "green areas" name to 4 different categories in the *.typ
TypeField=C2
Level=3
EndLevel=4
[END]

[SHP]
name=CONTOURS
Type=64
LabelField=level
TypeField=C
Level=0
EndLevel=2
[END]

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

This is the *.typ for the gps

[_id]
ProductCode=1
FID=302
[End]

[_drawOrder]
Type=0x01,1
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Type=0x13
String1=0x04,Building/Man-made area
String2=0x05,Edifici/Aree antropizzate
XPM="0 0 2 0"
"1 c #7b3020"
"2 c #7b3020"
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Type=0x14
String1=0x04,Broad-leaved forest
String2=0x05,Boschi di latifoglie
XPM="0 0 2 0"
"1 c #bdff8b"
"2 c #bdff8b"
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Type=0x15
String1=0x04,Coniferous forest
String2=0x05,Boschi di conifere
XPM="0 0 2 0"
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"2 c #7bff6a"
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String2=0x05,Boschi misti
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XPM="0 0 2 0"
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I have another *.typ for mapsource. But I don't know how to use two different *.typ (mapsource and gps) with Mapsetoolkit (http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/home).
I don't post it... i don't think that you want to read anymore...

Fx
In reply to (10279) Trackman 2008-07-30 21:38:00
(10279) Trackman
Reply 2008-07-30 21:38:00
Hm, as Stallman has also said the terms 'open' and 'free' are always ambigous. I think we do not use these terms in the usual way. Read our license and it will be clearer. In short:
'Free': OMP products can be used without any payment but only for non-commercial usages. Visitors are free to use them or learn from them. One can modify our product for his own usage. But redistribution is not automatically granted. We want to keep the control over distributions to avoid forking our project: we will grant redistribution rights to any user/projects who/what needs map data but does something else than us.
'Open' : we invite everyone into OMP who has tracks/map datas/free time for map editing/programming capability/good ideas how to advance the project.


I decided, if you're interested, to join the project. Let me know what to do.

I agree, let's drop the theoretical things.. :)
First, we need to see your existing map data, in the following separate parts (if you can separate them easily).
1) We have srtm for Italy, but it can be generated in many ways so you may have a better one.
2) Kepenu has showed you the CLC conversion table. It would be pretty if you can produce a converted clc, but it is enough to send us an "originally" typed version.
3) POIs if you have them (especially settlements, but we are interested in almost any pois, look at http://openmaps.eu/legend how we try to categorize them).
4) roads, streets, pathways - based on tracklogs
5) what other map data have you got?

You can save our time if you can send these things in mp format, but shp is enough as well.
Place these files behind a link or choose any transfer method you prefer.
In reply to (10258) felixwolf 2008-07-29 00:26:17
(10270) Trackman
Reply 2008-07-29 21:03:00

This is a relatively new issue introduced by ms 6.14.1. Garmin guys have changed something in the core of mapsource in this version that makes it incompatible with previous versions some way.
You have two options:
- install a previous mapsource version. Eg. 6.13.4 is a stable, fast and reliable one.
- rename the product registry keys

under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\Openmaps

Austria2D -> 6062
Austria3D -> 6063
Bosnia2D -> 6042
Bosnia3D -> 6043
Croatia2D -> 6032
Croatia3D -> 6033
CzechRepublic2D -> 6072
CzechRepublic3D -> 6073
Openmaps2D -> 6002
Openmaps3D -> 6003
Poland2D -> 6082
Poland3D -> 6083
Slovakia2D -> 6022
Slovakia3D -> 6023
Slovenia2D -> 6052
Slovenia3D -> 6053
Transylvania2D -> 6012
Transylvania3D -> 6013


and under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\OMPHiking

Hiking Color Highlight -> 6026
Hiking Mono Highlight -> 6025
Hiking TrailMarks -> 6024


Note that second solution will make GarminManager unable to identify our products therefore will not work.
Refreshing OMP products by exe installer will recreate the name-based registry keys and mapsource will crash again. With the 6.14.1 version you have to rename the keys after every exe-refresh.

We're working on the solution but since GarminManager needs to be rewritten partially we need relatively much time to do this.
In reply to (10269) amaciuca 2008-07-29 20:24:29
(10269) amaciuca
Reply 2008-07-29 20:24:29
Hi all.

I just found this website and I was eager to see and try the Transylvania map... only that I ran into trouble. After insalling the maps I got the following error message:

"There is a problem with the Openmaps installation.
Please reinstall Openmaps and start MapSource again."

Ofcourse, I did what I've been told to do but nothing :(
The MapSource I have on my computer is 6.14.1

Can you help me please?

Thanks and best regards.
(10268) kepenu
Reply 2008-07-29 20:17:00
"You have to distribute the resulting work with the same, similar or compatible license"

It's 3.0: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

2.0 (OSM) doesn't have "or compatible license" criteria.

" it should be silly to cut out windows user to contribute"

As we mentioned, there's a hard core Linux user in our team who uses Mapedit under Wine.
In reply to (10258) felixwolf 2008-07-29 00:26:17
(10267) kepenu
Reply 2008-07-29 20:14:59
It's about Zooms and Levels:

http://openmaps.eu/node/1670

In reply to (10242) felixwolf 2008-07-28 09:59:07
(10261) kepenu
Reply 2008-07-29 09:28:34
Hi, (I'm not Trackman, but I can reply your question as well)

If you click on "Submit track" option, you will get a form with spaces to fill in with some informations about your track.
In reply to (10259) corvus coraX 2008-07-29 05:43:31
(10259) corvus coraX
Reply 2008-07-29 05:43:31
Hi Trakman
which form i must to fill out?!
In reply to (10079) peter68 2008-07-21 08:17:32
(10258) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-29 00:26:17
Welcome back.
I decided, if you're interested, to join the project. Let me know what to do.

"Mp is only "the file format", the data itself sits in a mysql server."
That's good. I thought that a spatial-enabled db with *.shp output and direct processing inside cgpsmapper could be the "optimum". But if your workflow works (and it seems to work very well), it exists, and this is enough.
?"Waht's wrong with mp or mapedit?"
Really nothing with *.mp: i used mapdekode at first, i prefer cgpsmapper (but many thanks to Peter Dekode, anyway! His product is free of charge), i wrote compliments to Stanislaw. I just thought that a good way to compile is to make a short *.mp "header" including shapes, and leave *.shp files in their original format (remember that i use shapes everyday). In this way you can compile lots of maps changing just names inside the header (or shps inside the folder).
If you don't use shps as original data, it's different, of course! You have to convert gpx, or ozi data, in shp, and this is a step more.
Really nothing with mapedit: it makes life simpler.

"Windows-ness?"
A little bit :) Really speaking, it should be silly to cut out windows user to contribute.

"Why you are exluding mapedit from "real GIS world"?... it is a "hobby-toy"... but it has all the features needed by editing maps... You cannot do it with a "real GIS" sw... "
Well, I think it's a different thing! As you wrote, it's VERY good to do his job, and you cannot do the same with a "Real Gis" (or sure this is not the easy way: you have to use a complex and heavy software just for "few" function, import all data, using external software to convert from different formats, export in shape, write an *.mp header from scratch, compile by console with cgpsmapper...).
So, it's not an hobby-toy in his field, it's THE instrument.
But I don't think that you can calculate the monthly home range of my collared wolf with a Kernel algorytm and calculate with statistic wich vegetation category she choose within Mapedit :)
It's a different thing, optimized for his job.

"comparing to commercial products"
I cannot compare with commercial products. I stopped using ArcView years ago. Now I use only Free, non commercial GIS: GRASS/QGIS, mainly.

"we have the possibility to advance it if needed"
THIS is a key argument.

"It is always an exciting chance to extend the output types for new platforms/map sw/etc. We are interested in it!"
Well, i converted existing OM data and sent to mac user friend (he liked too :) ). It's really simple, there is a tool from garmin :)
?"That sounds good but what's happen with OSM license??We don't want to become concurrency of osm in any way. Just approaching from a different view."
I think that the OSM Creative Commons Licence is good (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/). You can use and MODIFY data, but you have to attribute THAT part of the work to the author. You have to distribute the resulting work with the same, similar or compatible license (and it sounds good to me).
Anyway, it's just an idea!
?"Good": how a good product looks like?"
I repeat myself. OpenMaps data looks good. That's the right way. I wrote you because you are doing the thing I was going to do.
?"Free": it is trivial."
No, it isn't! There are pages and pages written on this topic :)
From http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html:
"Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free beer.
Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software..."
Moreover i think that people are scared of sending their logs, if they think that someone could sell them.

"Open"
Again: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

What i wanted to say is that I'd like to speak with facts, and ask people to send me their gps logs when: I know that i can manage the amount of data; I can show what a nice toy we can obtain.
OpenMaps data are the nice toy to show. I didn't know them, when i wanted to show to people "a good, free, open product" to convince them to learn to use "difficult" instruments and contribute with their outdoor data (and i meant on a local basis, IE one National Park).

"He could be interested too - That's a good news! ;-)"
I don't know if he IS interested now. He compiled srtm contours for garmin years ago, and wrote on his website:
"05/11/05 ATTENTION!
I haven't more free web's data to generate new ITopo maps, so I ask help from everyone.
I wish get new detailed topo maps with tographical POI: summit, cross, camps and so on naturals and not point of interest for trekking, skiing, bicycling... Everyone interested about this project can send by mail the waypoint records along the way, I'll convert these waypoint on new updates for ITopo map. Thank you very much."
So i tried to contact him...
In reply to (10255) Trackman 2008-07-28 21:40:48
(10255) Trackman
Reply 2008-07-28 21:40:48
But i think that your infrastructure is Microsoft based
But as you wrote you could use mapedit, for example.
Mp is only "the file format", the data itself sits in a mysql server.
We're based a lot of things on our mapedit modifications, so it is not realistic to leave off mapedit or even the mp format. So if you are sure you don't use mapedit anymore it is a really difficult task for you to join us. But i hope anyway you would... :)

How can I train track-loggers if i use different instruments
Probably nope. :(
Waht's wrong with mp or mapedit? Windows-ness? Why you are exluding mapedit from "real GIS world"? Of course it is a "hobby-toy" comparing to commercial products, but it has all the features needed by editing maps, and we have the possibility to advance it if needed. You cannot do it with a "real GIS" sw.

Maybe I can help to convert your existing dataset in Mac Garmin *.gpmapi
It is always an exciting chance to extend the output types for new platforms/map sw/etc. We are interested in it!

I think that shp-reversed-garmin-compiled OSM data could be "one-of" the free sources you where talking
That sounds good but what's happen with OSM license?
We don't want to become concurrency of osm in any way. Just approaching from a different view.

Different levels, different aggregations ("green areas")?
That's it. In less detailed levels we've unioned different forest, etc and simplified them as high as it still gives good apperance.

I managed to obtain a mixed model with the best borders
Good! You've created a possible good clc set and (realtive) precise border. It fits our needs.

to show and share a good free and open topo product
Please specify what do you mean on these words?
"Good": how a good product looks like?
"Free": it is trivial.
"Open": .... we want to avoid to be happened a 'forking' event: others use our data to do a very similar thing/website/map/etc. In any other way we are open. What this word mean to you?


But I don't think that it could be so easy to collect as much road data as OSM does
I quite agree! There's a lot of things it needs to be really successful.

He could be interested too.
That's a good news! ;-)
In reply to (10242) felixwolf 2008-07-28 09:59:07
(10242) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-28 09:59:07
"we merge tiles, generalize them a bit and cut them almost to border line"
I have 2 datasets for italy: the one you could download until 2007 (divided into italian regions), and the "new" one (tiles).
I obtained one national dataset merging regions, and one merging tiles.
I think that tiles are better: the first dataset lacks some polygon along the coast: I think it was cutted in origin with a border polygon less detailed than CORINE data. So the tiled model is better toward the sea, but lacks borders in the Alpine region! I managed to obtain a mixed model with the best borders. I want to use it to cut SRTM model too. What do you think about it?

"http://openmaps.eu/node/682"
Thank you very much. This is very useful.
Different levels, different aggregations ("green areas")?

"Mapedit runs under Linux Wine emulator as well (in addition of gdiplus.dll)"
I tried with Winehelper. For the moment Parallels works better.

"We prefer both roadmap and Topo components"
Me too, of course! But until I played alone with this data, i could not think to map the whole nation with gpx data; but i can do it with topo data (as you wrote after: "...the most unique elements of OMP maps are TOPO infos...").
Keep in mind that there are lots of websites trying to collect free gps outdoor data in Italy. I can be wrong, but i think that they have not too much success, for different reasons (some very italian?). I think that a key to change this could be to show and share a good free and open topo product; with this I think that could be easyer to find lot of people that can help to collect original gpx data for outdoor activities ("...hiking, skiing parts...").
But I don't think that it could be so easy to collect as much road data as OSM does... I can be wrong, again.

There is an old project of garmin topo product for italy (http://www.italymaps.tk/) that tried to collect other sources of outdoor data, but i think it's dead. I wrote to that guy and I talked about Openmaps. He could be interested too.

Bye,
Fx
(10241) kepenu
Reply 2008-07-25 23:37:00
Do you merge the clc tiles by Country?

Until 2007 there was a chance to download CLC2000 datas by whole countries. In addition of newer countries we merge tiles, generalize them a bit and cut them almost to border line.

Do you dissolve adiacent polygons before?

Well, CLC sets of countries are running over the border a bit. When we generate outputs they're cut to the border for fitting together exactly.

What classes you keep?

http://openmaps.eu/node/682

Sorry, it's in Hungarian now.
Labels: CLC code, CLC definition, Garmin code in our OpenMaps type-set, description of polygon type, remarks ("összevonva" means "merged/joined")
Other classes are deleted.

What garmin tag you give to them and what typ?

You can see Garmin codes above, and TYPs here: http://openmaps.eu/legend

Do you keep data in shp or do you import in mapedit?

We import them. As Trackman wrote: all datas are in Polish mp format, WGS84 Datum.

Other answers/comments:
Yes, we use Windows systems for map editing, but Mapedit runs under Linux Wine emulator as well (in addition of gdiplus.dll)

I'm focused on garmin topo maps output

We prefer both roadmap and Topo components, but probably the most unique elements of OMP maps are TOPO infos, hiking, skiing parts (and highlight layers of them), and we're proud of it. Please take a look at Austria/Kaprun or Slovakia/Chopok or other ski regions! They were drawn by GPS datas.
In reply to (10237) felixwolf 2008-07-25 13:00:27
(10237) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-25 13:00:27
"...CLC2000 data - filtered by type and converted to a 'garmin-like' type set..."
I thought this part, when I wrote about "workflow". Do you merge the clcl tiles by Country? Do you dissolve adiacent polygons before? What classes you keep? What garmin tag you give to them and what typ? Do you keep data in shp or do you import in mapedit?... I can do all the workflow but, as you imagine, it is really time-consuming to do it with trials and errors on a BIG dataset. I like your results, so why don't use your way?
... I can keep on asking, but i better answer important topics :)

"We have a 'responsible' member of every country... We would welcome any other free and accurate map data of Italy in mp format. How about these things above?"

I am interested, of course.
But i think that your infrastructure is Microsoft based (i've read about .NET somewhere) and i work with an intel macbook, at the moment. I have a parallelized, unupdated, win2K (moreover I hope to pass all the job on Wine emulator, one day), just to make cgpsmapper-Mapsource work, then I export data to Mac Garmin Bobcat: so i edit data with real GIS and i keep them in esri shape format. What about it? How can I train track-loggers if i use different instruments (I worked with mapedit, OkMap, gpsTrackMaker, OZi, MapDekode... but not anymore. Now I collect gpx with trailrunner, or bobcat, or QGIS) ?
Anyway, if I'll become the 'responsible' or not, i can contribute, if you like, with knowledge (i.e.: data reprojecton from the Italian Gauss-Boaga reference system-2everything is a "nice" game for a newbie; and -few- free data, and lot of maps, are GB georeferenced) and processed base data. Maybe I can help to convert your existing dataset in Mac Garmin *.gpmapi for Bobcat. Or maybe "porting" the workflow to mac...

"In particular we differ from openstreetmap.org in two things (AFAIK): 1) we aren't so 'wiki-like', we trying to integrate map data in a more controlled way to avoid inaccurateness and to fix uniformity of map objects (by creating unambigous rules and training map editors); 2) we focus on such map outputs what can be applied on portable navigation equipments..."

I'm interested in openstreetmap project, but i'm not a good contributor (working with their JOSM editor needs steps out of my GIS workflow; for now i collect gpx tracks...). I like the Open approach, and the gfoss community sponsorize this project. I'm focused on garmin topo maps output: for my work, for hiking, for alpine skiing... OSM is focused on roads and streets. But OSM community is big and growing (in Iyaly with a strong gradient from North 2 South), and they're developing an alternative compiler for garmin (Mkgmap). I think this can accelerate the collecting of free data. I think that shp-reversed-garmin-compiled OSM data could be "one-of" the free sources you where talking, better than VMAP0 data, if someone check them on small parts of territory with his own knowledge.

I'll read your answers when you'll come back (and me too :) ) from your trips, don't worry.

Bye,
Felix
In reply to (10232) peter68 2008-07-25 07:37:32
(10232) peter68
Reply 2008-07-25 07:37:32
Hello,

I'm sorry, but I will travel to Croatia Sunday morning. I will be there till 5th of Aug. After it I will be at home, I can answer every question.
In reply to (10231) Trackman 2008-07-24 21:49:50
(10231) Trackman
Reply 2008-07-24 21:49:50
Ok, so let me tell you something about our gudelines.

We try to collect and integrate into one mapset all the _free_ map data we can reach. In the existing countries it consists of
- CLC2000 data - filtered by type and converted to a 'garmin-like' type set
- land contours derived from SRTM2 (3D versions)
- points (especially settlements, summits, etc) got from free sources
- roads and point of interests - originated from a) free maps from mapcenter (with agree of the authors), b) tracklogs uploaded by enthusiastic gps users
Again: we integrate only free things to avoid any conflict with commercial map authors.

In particular we differ from openstreetmap.org in two things (AFAIK): 1) we aren't so 'wiki-like', we trying to integrate map data in a more controlled way to avoid inaccurateness and to fix uniformity of map objects (by creating unambigous rules and training map editors); 2) we focus on such map outputs what can be applied on portable navigation equipments.

We have a 'responsible' member of every country. They usuallylly have country-specific knowledge, and they manage to get data from free sources, to train map editors and to hearten track-loggers... :)

We use a mainly self-created infrastructure - a database which makes able map editors to work on separate parts of maps paralelly.
Map editors use a modified version GPSMapEdit, and our base file format is polish mp. We do not use any projection systems, every data is in WGS84.

A few days ago we've just started to discuss to expand openmaps.eu to Italy. And then you wrote a forum post....
It is evident to us to ask you to be the responsible member of the italan part of our maps (of course after you've learned the technical detailness of openmaps.eu as well).
Currently we have land contours by srtm. We would welcome any other free and accurate map data of Italy in mp format.

How about these things above?


(Kepenu, Peter68, i won't be close to my computer from now to sunday night, please continue the discourse if felixwolf answers.)
In reply to (10207) felixwolf 2008-07-23 19:22:52
(10215) kepenu
Reply 2008-07-24 07:38:00
3.70 for both (Vista, Legend)
In reply to (10208) felixwolf 2008-07-23 19:31:58
(10208) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-23 19:31:58
Thank you very much. Now the link is good, but to download it ask me something in Hungarian (i think is hungarian...).
I have old Vista, Legend and Venture (I'm a field zoologist and I work with GIS/GPS; I don't collect them :) ), and a new Vista Hcx.
Which version of the firmware did you (where you?) patch?
Thanks,
Andrea
In reply to (10198) kepenu 2008-07-23 14:58:46
(10207) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-23 19:22:52
Yes. I'l be happy to do it.
But please keep in mind that I have not too much time to spend in this nice project.
For this reason i'm interested, at the moment, in the developing of datasets about: vegetation coverage/soil use, contours; Italian Gauss-Boaga grid; European UTMED50 grid; UTMWGS84 grid (i think that the grids are useful to use gps with printed map).
I think that the OpenStreetMap data will be useful to cover the "hole" on another layer. Maybe someone will help with other italian data.

I've told you that I use qgis (and GRASS),gvsig,ogr/gdal and cgpsmapper: i've bought years ago the standard version, with esri support; but i'm going to use just free data, so i can send the source to mapcenter.
I've done a lot of garmin datasets, but not for the whole Country, and unfortunately with non-free data.

I have planned to use (and i got) the whole datasets for Italy of:
CLC2000 (tiles in ETRS89LAEA and italian regions in WGS84UTM; I'm going to use the tiles)
SRTM3 CGIAR: DEM, Waterbodies and "topex" dataset (bathymetry)
DCW VMAP0 (for Countries borders, maybe places, and rivers... I haven't found nothing better for streams, for the moment).
There is a better version of the Italian and Greek vmap0 border on the web. I use it.

Bye,
Andrea







In reply to (10195) Trackman 2008-07-23 14:53:05
(10198) kepenu
Reply 2008-07-23 14:58:46
Both GPSr has a modified firmware: 28.000 trackpoints without "overwrite" option or 24.000 with "overwrite if full" option.

Anyway the link was wrong, now its fixed.
If you needed I can mail it to you. Which version?
In reply to (10194) felixwolf 2008-07-23 14:23:47
(10195) Trackman
Reply 2008-07-23 14:53:05
Do you like to share the processing workflow, from raw data to innosetup

Let's turn your question with 180 degree, would you like to join us with italian data to expand our project?
In reply to (10190) felixwolf 2008-07-23 12:29:00
(10194) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-23 14:23:47
Thank you for replying.
I use now an eTrex Vista Hcx.
I have an "old" eTrex Vista and eTrex Legend too.
Thanks
Andrea
(10191) peter68
Reply 2008-07-23 13:26:37
Hello,

"Expanding Trackmemory of GARMIN GPS receivers"
A Hungarian man make some modification on the firmware of the older type Garmin receivers.
Which type of GPSr have you?

This firmware update ready for the "cardless" GPSr, because the newer GPSr with memory card can log the track to the card. For this not important to expand the track memory.
In reply to (10190) felixwolf 2008-07-23 12:29:00
(10190) felixwolf
Reply 2008-07-23 12:29:00
Hi.
I like a lot your 3d product.
I'm trying to do the same work (i mean just the background) for Italy, using CLC2000 and SRTM data.
I use ogr/gdal, qgis, gvsig, cgpsmapper.
Do you like to share the processing workflow, from raw data to innosetup, the source *.mp file (just the header) and typ?
It could be nice to use the same aspect of the data.

I'm interested in this link:
"Expanding Trackmemory of GARMIN GPS receivers" (firmware-updates for older GPS receivers), but it's just in hungarian... Can you help me to track the files and with a little translation?

Thank you,
Andrea
(10079) peter68
Reply 2008-07-21 08:17:32
Hello,

Thank you for the tracks.
Please go to the Upload track page, and fill the form.
If it is possible, sign with some waypoint where are the macadame roads.
In reply to (10075) corvus coraX 2008-07-21 07:07:14
(10075) corvus coraX
Reply 2008-07-21 07:07:14
Hi, i am a very recent member. Congratulations for the open map source, i use Transylvania map 3D vith my Garmin eTrex Vista ChX and it works great. I leave in Sighisoara and i can contribute with few tracks, routes and waypoints. Some tracks are macadam roads wich are missing in this map, roads especially for tracking and biking.
(9830) Trackman
Reply 2008-06-30 13:15:00
We hope we can extend our maps to whole Romania. It needs some technical issues and map materials but the extension may be happen soon if everything goes well...
In reply to (9821) paulbv 2008-06-30 08:05:12
(9827) peter68
Reply 2008-06-30 10:46:50
Hello,

Thank you for your note.
Please upload your track, and I check the area.
If it is possible, please take some waypoint for the extra information about the road sign.

Regards,
Peter
In reply to (9821) paulbv 2008-06-30 08:05:12
(9821) paulbv
Reply 2008-06-30 08:05:12
hi,

I was in a trip in week-end and I used the OpenMaps Transilvania map.
I am verry pleased to say that the map was excelent and I found a lot of details.
I used it both for driving and for walking.

Congratulations!

For improving:
Coming from Medias towards Sighisoara I was nagigating to reach Biertan and the map was sending me to the right in the middle of the nowhere...
The road in fact is starting from Saros pe Tarnave (village) and following Dj141B (county road =Dj) - which was marked correctly- to Biertan.
I think that we were suggested to take Dj142F to Dupus and after that Dc22 (village road = Dc) to Biertan.
Dc are often unpaved and not so well maintained so is not realy an option unless the road is the only one...

I will upload the track of my trip soon.
Are you considering extending to whole Romania?

beste regards
Paul
(7751) Trackman
Reply 2008-03-16 12:35:36
Hi, we're focusing to create the background infrastructure so we don't have too much time thinking these over. We've contacted one of the osm's developer about cooperation but that wasn't effective yet. Nothing is impossible, but without knowing the details we can't tell you more concrete things.
In reply to (7739) stilpu 2008-03-15 14:49:18
(7739) stilpu
Reply 2008-03-15 14:49:18
Sorry to interrupt, I don't know very much about your project, but it looks very similar to www.openstreetmap.org . Maybe there is a chance you might be joining forces?
(7328) ihopulele
Reply 2008-03-02 17:34:51
I use them without TYP. Don't even know what that is - colours on my display are OK.

I can help by uploading tracks. I use many dirt roads not inscribed on the map. I walk or go biking.
(5938) kepenu
Reply 2008-01-29 15:36:34
Dear Users,
We would like to get a little bit of feed back!
Please tell us, how you use OpenMaps Garmin maps: with TYP or without TYP! Thanks!
(5862) busaipeti
Reply 2008-01-27 14:25:51
Well, with some trick one can download others tracks.
Click on My account -> Track, then click on one of your tracks, your tracks page opens. On the top line you click one of the tags, for example "unprocessed". All unprocessed tracks will be listed, not just yours and there you go. You can download them.
Here is your track on Cluj-Valisoara-Hoia: http://openmaps.eu/files/Faget-Valisoara-Hoia.gdb

Regards
In reply to (5856) ihopulele 2008-01-27 09:01:51
(5861) busaipeti
Reply 2008-01-27 14:12:19
You can use this links below for Hungary.
http://turistautak.hu/garmin.php
With land contours:
http://turistautak.hu/file.php?dir=maps&file=turistautak-garmin-mapsource-setup.exe
Without land contours:
http://turistautak.hu/file.php?dir=maps&file=turistautak-utak-feluletek-garmin-mapsource-setup.exe
Maybe the two projects will have a common database in the future.
In reply to (5856) ihopulele 2008-01-27 09:01:51
(5857) Trackman
Reply 2008-01-27 12:05:27
This site is created using Drupal portal engine. Of course it is highly configurable but has millions of switches and features - some of them may not be set to its optimal value yet. We're working continously to solve the strange issues - eg. links to nowhere, unnecessary input fields, etc.

We're in the finish to creating the technical background of track processing - including feedback to track uploaders. We hope, it will be operational in a week or two, but a month in the worth case.

Currently tracks are not downloadable.
It would raise some problems, eg. others would see the place of your home or your speed on the highways based on your track - you may not want it to happen.

You cannot open forum threads only in english because we don't speak any other languages (except hungarian of course.. ) so we couldn't moderate other foreign languages. It is possible that we'll have threads in other languages if we have native speaking people of that language in the team.

You might have already read the "how to help" section so if you want to help us just appoint the way you can/want to help.

Best regards.
In reply to (5856) ihopulele 2008-01-27 09:01:51
(5856) ihopulele
Reply 2008-01-27 09:01:51
Hello

I can find my own tracks in the "My account" section. Yet, I may be interested in the tracks uploaded by others. Are the tracks uploaded by others downloadable? The link "My tracks" doesn't seem to lead anywhere. What's its use, anyway?

I have uploaded some tracks, but received no comments - are they good/ bad/ unusable?

May I open new thread in forum? Unfortunately, in English only...

I have been using the Transsylvania map for a while, it's great. Yet, when I needed Hungary - surprise, couldn't find it.

My criticism is meant to help you. I like your work and intend to help you as much as possible.

Best regards.
(5210) popej
Reply 2008-01-13 16:28:23
No, thanks. Now I know how to use current CLC data.
popej
In reply to (5207) kepenu 2008-01-13 16:09:47

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